av8r915 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 32 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 5262 times:
MEDIA ADVISORY : M12-071
Shuttle Enterprise to Fly Over New York City Metro Area April 23
WASHINGTON -- NASA's 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) with space shuttle Enterprise mounted atop will fly at a relatively low altitude over various parts of the New York City metropolitan area on Monday, April 23.
The Federal Aviation Administration is coordinating the flight, which is scheduled to occur between 9:30 and 11:30 a.m. EDT.
The exact route and timing of the flight depend on weather and operational constraints, including the on-time delivery of space shuttle Discovery to the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly, Va., this week. If all goes as planned, the aircraft is expected to fly near a variety of landmarks in the metropolitan area, including the Statue of Liberty and the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum. When the flyover is complete, the SCA will land at John F. Kennedy International Airport.
During the weeks following the arrival, Enterprise will be "demated" from the 747 and placed on a barge that will be moved by tugboat up the Hudson River to the Intrepid museum in June. The shuttle will be lifted by crane and placed on the flight deck of the Intrepid, where it will be on exhibit to the public starting this summer in a temporary climate-controlled pavilion. The Intrepid continues to work on a permanent exhibit facility to showcase Enterprise that will enhance the museum's space-related exhibits and education curriculum.
If the flight is postponed for any reason, an additional notice will be released.
For more information about NASA's transfer of space shuttles to museums, visit:
HarleyDriver From United States of America, joined exactly 3 years ago today! , 71 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 5178 times:
Looks like N911NA was retired in February and is now a parts bird for the Sofia project and N905NA. I assume N905NA will have the same fate after delivery of the Enterprise? I hope it has a better fate like a museum.
eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 27 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 4932 times:
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Quoting HarleyDriver (Reply 2): I assume N905NA will have the same fate after delivery of the Enterprise? I hope it has a better fate like a museum
No.
905 has life for a bit longer.
She will become the flight proficiency aircraft for the SOPFIA crew. She will also be used on follow on NASA projects as they come into fruition. Also, she will be rented out. Already she has been used twice by Boeing to transfer their Phantom Ray UAV from factory to testing location. The side of 905NA has a logo to commemorate that too. See this picture below:
checksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 996 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4665 times:
Quoting HarleyDriver (Reply 2): ooks like N911NA was retired in February and is now a parts bird for the Sofia project and N905NA. I assume N905NA will have the same fate after delivery of the Enterprise? I hope it has a better fate like a museum.
Nope...they still have another shuttle ferry flight in September to complete.
Eagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1612 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4514 times:
Quoting av8r915 (Reply 1): Shuttle Enterprise to Fly Over New York City Metro Area April 23.......
........If the flight is postponed for any reason, an additional notice will be released.
Update for 4 p.m. EDT, April 20: The Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum has announced that Enterprise's flight to New York has been "postponed until further notice due to unfavorable weather forecast" for Monday (April 23). More details to follow when available.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10241 posts, RR: 40 Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4317 times:
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 5): "postponed until further notice due to unfavorable weather forecast" for Monday (April 23). More details to follow when available.
Thank you for the update.
It does not change things much for the Intrepid Museum as they are not ready to receive Shuttle Enterprise right after they land at JFK. I suppose she will be put in a warehouse somewhere in the airport until she can be ferried to the air craft carrier in Manhattan.
Who will be paying for the covered dome that will house Enterprise at the Intrepid?
Concorde G-BOAD was also supposed to be put under a shelter when they received her but she is still outside.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4290 times:
NASA is holding a flight readiness review today (Monday) at 1pm, and should announce a rescheduled flight time after that. From the forecast, they say the earliest they should be able to fly is Wednesday, but we'll know more this afternoon.
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6): It does not change things much for the Intrepid Museum as they are not ready to receive Shuttle Enterprise right after they land at JFK. I suppose she will be put in a warehouse somewhere in the airport until she can be ferried to the air craft carrier in Manhattan.
The shuttle is supposed to sit on the SCA for up to two weeks, while the mate/demate structure is disassembled at IAD, moved to JFK, and reassembled. Once it is off the SCA, it will stay in a hangar until time for the move to Intrepid. I've heard it will be sometime this summer, maybe a couple of months from now.
Eagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1612 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4283 times:
In this document NASA say the plan is to display Enterprise as if she were about to land:
"Shuttle Enterprise, which was the prototype vehicle and used in NASA’s approach and landing tests in 1977, will move from the Smithsonian’s Udvar-Hazy Center to the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum in New York. At the Intrepid museum, plans call for visitors to be able to see Enterprise as if it were about to touch down on the runway during the landing tests that paved the way for future space shuttle flights. It also is expected to have a tailcone installed over the aft part of the shuttle, which was used to protect the space shuttle main engines and provide an aerodynamic shape when the shuttle was being flown on the back of a modified 747 jet called the Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA)." http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/pdf/608887main_T%26R.pdf
A facebook mate posted a pic (iPhone quality) that shows the SCA/Enterprise unit sitting on the ramp at IAD (Dulles airport)
Looks quite odd.
I am arriving into JFK on Wednesday afternoon, would be great to be able to see the flyover.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10241 posts, RR: 40 Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
This just came on FB
re-posting here.
NASA's Kennedy Space Center
NASA managers, in coordination with Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum officials, tentatively selected Wednesday, April 25 as the date to ferry space shuttle Enterprise from Washington’s Dulles International Airport to New York City’s John F. Kennedy International Airport.
Once officially approved, NASA's 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) with Enterprise mounted atop will fly at a relatively low altitude over various parts of the New York City metropolitan area on Wednesday, April 25. If all goes as planned, the aircraft is expected to fly near a variety of landmarks in the area, including the Statue of Liberty and the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum. When the flyover is complete, the SCA will land at John F. Kennedy International Airport.
During the weeks following the arrival, Enterprise will be "demated" from the 747 and placed on a barge that will be moved by tugboat up the Hudson River to the Intrepid museum in June. The shuttle will be lifted by crane and placed on the flight deck of the Intrepid, where it will be on exhibit to the public starting this summer in a temporary climate-controlled pavilion. The Intrepid continues to work on a permanent exhibit facility to showcase Enterprise that will enhance the museum's space-related exhibits and education curriculum.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
Eagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1612 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4184 times:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/tr...e/enterprise_flight_postponed.html
"The decision was made at the conclusion of the Enterprise Ferry Flight Readiness Review (FRR) and is dependent on the outcome of a weather briefing Tuesday morning. A large region of low pressure dominating the east coast has made it difficult to reliably predict an acceptable day for the flight.
Once officially approved, NASA's 747 SCA with Enterprise mounted atop will fly at a relatively low altitude over various parts of the New York City metropolitan area on Wednesday, April 25.
The Federal Aviation Administration is coordinating the flight, which is scheduled to occur between 9:30 and 11:30 a.m. EDT, weather permitting. The exact route and timing depend on weather and operational constraints. "
Now that is upsetting, I land into JFK at approx 1300 local!!
soon7x7 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 2796 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3939 times:
Currently scheduled for Friday pending favorable weather. Even though clearing skies are forecast, NW winds are predicted 18-25 with gusts to the 30's...this could again put a damper on the schedule.
I understand Enterprise will remain atop the SCA @ JFK until June when she is transferred to a barge to be ferried to Intrepid. Where at JFK will she sit?
moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3760 times:
She should be on the SCA for a week or two, until the mate/demate structure is brought up from IAD. The combo will likely remain down near Hangar 19, and once she is off the SCA, will go into the hangar until the transfer to the Intrepid. Today's ceremonies will take place near the remains of Hangar 12.
contrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1818 posts, RR: 0 Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3325 times:
I watched the Discovery flyovers en route to IAD, and the Enterprise flyovers en route to JFK. I have two primary thoughts on these flights.
1. It's sad to think that the USA, the country that sent men to the moon, is now essentially out of the manned space exploration business.
2. How much did these flyovers cost the taxpayers? The last I heard the 747 with a shuttle on its back cost over $1,000,000 an hour to operate. I'm sure the price is higher now. This was an egregious waste of money. Direct flights would have been acceptable, but making circles in the sky while burning tons of fuel is not.
I have always supported the exploration of space, believing that the benefits would outweigh the costs; but these stunts were an egregious waste of money. The NASA big-wigs behind these stunts should be held accountable.
SSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 432 posts, RR: 0 Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 weeks ago) and read 3343 times:
For a post that bemoans spending well into the 5-figure range while also bemoaning we're not burning 10-figure amounts on a quicker return to manned spaceflight, I can only think of the phrase, "stepping over dollars to pick up nickels." Lighten up. We blow money on parades, too. NASA's required the NGOs getting the Shuttles to pay transport costs regardless.
The manned flight hiatus my end up being shorter than Apollo-Shuttle. Guess we'll see.
Sinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1532 posts, RR: 3 Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3326 times:
This will give you a general idea of what it cost per hour, even if you double the cost it to inclued the Shuttle factor. It's nowhere near a 1,000,000 dollar an hour figure. http://www.what2fly.com/operating_cost/boeing/747-200.php
CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 706 posts, RR: 14 Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3291 times:
I hope someone makes a small documentary on the retiring of the shuttles and the role the SCA took, I saw some cameras inside the cockpit I hope we get to see the footage.
eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 27 Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
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Quoting contrails (Reply 26): 1. It's sad to think that the USA, the country that sent men to the moon, is now essentially out of the manned space exploration business.
NASA is NOT out of the business of manned space exploration. There are currently US astronauts on the ISS and there are others waiting to go when their turn comes up.
An American can get selected to the Astronaut core, train and be sent to space unlike your claim.
Quoting contrails (Reply 26): Direct flights would have been acceptable, but making circles in the sky while burning tons of fuel is not.
NASA is mandated by Congress that part of its mission is education. The flyovers were small-very small exercises- are easily covered by their mission to educate and inspire the general public. The orbiters have been seen by millions and i can tell you from the public reaction it brings out a great deal -a HUGE deal- of interest in space exploration. The 20-30 minute flyovers generated tremendous bang for the buck.
On an operational side, those pilots also got additional flight time. Maintaining crew flight proficiency on NASA 905 involves monthly flights. N905NA will be flying at Edwards monthly with no viewers and no added benefit anyway so 30 extra minutes of flight time in a complicated setting such a NYC is actually operationally relevant to the crew as well. So I do not agree with you on this either.
Where exactly can I spot her, keep in mind I only visit JFK once a week at most!!!
Quoting moose135 (Reply 31): Suresh, thanks for all the information and updates along the way, as well as your excellent photos!
I have to second this, while I missed the flyby by 24 hours I was able to warn a few of my colleagues who were in JFK after me so they could glimpse this iconic flight.
moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3101 times:
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 32): Where exactly can I spot her, keep in mind I only visit JFK once a week at most!!!
The combo is parked at the Easy-Bake Oven (AKA the deicing tent) next to the old Hangar 12 site. From what I saw on a friend's FB page, they are now under the deice tent, with everything from the shuttle's tail aft sticking out the back.
Nice photos John!...Bayswater a good choice obviously. It was a tough decision where to be for this occasion with all the potential opportunities. Some of the best records of the day were from I-phones in Manhattan with the bridges, Statue of Liberty, Empire State Building, etc...So much for expensive Nikons!
Eagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1612 posts, RR: 2 Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
Quoting moose135 (Reply 33): The combo is parked at the Easy-Bake Oven (AKA the deicing tent) next to the old Hangar 12 site. From what I saw on a friend's FB page, they are now under the deice tent, with everything from the shuttle's tail aft sticking out the back.
I shall be keeping an eye out on Tuesday after my arrival into JFK.
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