mhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 377 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3949 times:
Hello and welcome to my second trip report! I recently completed a trip with my friend and fellow a.net member, super80dfw, and I figured it would be a very unique trip that fellow a.netters will appreciate. Being from Kansas and coming from a town that directly benefited from small-carrier, Essential Air Service airlines like Great Lakes, sometimes I forget the rarity and relative difficulty flying with a carrier like Lakes is for lots of aviation buffs around the world. I hope you enjoy my account of my trip, and I apologize in advance for the lack of HYS ground pictures. I realized too late after takeoff this would certainly be one to report on.
Another disclaimer: I generally don't do trip reports for non revenue trips like this one because I don't quite feel that non revs get the same level of service at an airline comparable to a revenue passenger, for better or for worse, and I wouldn't want any of my experiences as a non-revver (again, for better or worse) to be a reflection of that company. The entire aviation industry has, in my relatively short time in it, has been incredibly family-like throughout my travels and I am extremely grateful to every gate agent, flight crewmember, and ramp staff that have made all my trips so enjoyable and keep passengers flying our friendly skies, giving us all jobs.
Now, to the report!
Background
The end of the school year is approaching and I really wanted to go visit a friend out in Hays before the semester ends. In the fall, he'll be moving back to MHK so this is the last chance I would have to go see how life really has been out on the high plains. Kansas is broken into many distinct parts, and my hometown, Manhattan, is so very different from Hays and the rest of Western Kansas that I sometimes forget this beautiful space is part of my own state. Regardless, I was excited to finally go and visit the FHSU campus when school was in session. Given the opportunity to fly lakes, another friend and recent re-transplant to Kansas, super80dfw, was also excited to come along. We had a great drive out to Hays, got a great tour of the Fort Hays State University Campus, and were excited to fly the Great Lakes Airlines again!
We made our reservations and listings on Great Lakes' reservations line. Calling them got us to very friendly operators who told us the flight was booked to four and our listing was A-OK! Our ZEDs were ticketed at the American Eagle ticket counter in Manhattan. We were all set and very excited!
Pre-departure and Check-in
We arrived at the Hays Airport about an hour early. My friend had a class to catch after we met for lunch before departing. The Hays Terminal is very spacious and consists of two large, square waiting areas, a small ticketing and rental car (Hertz) area, and space for airport administration. The terminal also includes a small drink and snack vending area with a few tables for dining, a pilots lounge, and the airport FBO, albeit in another wing. A small TSA checkpoint opens onto a much smaller passenger hold room with room for only about 25 people. Luckily, the Beechcraft only seats 19!
When we arrived, the inbound flight had just arrived and was being prepped for its short flight over to Great Bend, Kansas (GBD) where it would turn around again and operate our HYS-DEN leg. The waiting area offers an unobstructed view of the ramp and it was fun to watch the three agents maneuver the small GPU around the plane and marshal the plane out. From the ground, the departure to GBD looked like a very impressive takeoff and you could tell the plane was incredibly light.
Our aircraft being prepped for the HYS-GBD flight, N153GL, The aircraft operates DEN-HYS-GBD and return.
We went over to check in at the counter, I guess the reservations computers were down. The agent took our ZEDs and said that while the system was down, all the computer-work was being completed in GBD and the boarding passes were to be sent up on the inbound flight. In the mean time, she was going to write us some handwritten boarding passes and deliver them to the waiting area. Both the agents we talked to were very friendly and professional and were interested in how operations were at MQ in MHK. Did you know? - Great Lakes has scheduled 10-minute turns at almost all Beechcraft outstations? The crew will not even shut down the #2 engine to save pulling out a GPU and, according to the staff, its often easier to do it much quicker than that. -- At a company where it is sometimes a struggles to turn 50 seat jets in 30 minutes, I am impressed.
We requested seats 2A and 2C and the agent agreed to put us there. These are the best seats in the house, right next to the jets and with a great view of the cockpit. On the 19 seaters there is no flight attendant and the cockpit door is left wide open for the flight, giving passengers up front a great view of whats ahead and what the crew are up too!
Super80dfw and I took advantage of the free wifi offered by Hays-headquarted NexTech, a rural telephone and ISP company. The wifi was very fast and allowed us to watch the HYS-GBD flight land and turn around in GBD very quick on Flightaware! Sure enough, in a few minutes the agent brought us our true, hand written boarding passes!
There were four others in the terminal area, and about at the posted boarding time for our flight, we were invited to go through TSA screening. Four friendly TSA agents screened us and our bags, and had all sorts of questions about where we worked and how the operation works at MHK. This piqued a passenger's interest, too - He didn't know about the MHK-DFW/ORD service and sounded legitimately excited about it. I feel a little bad explaining MQ's service to him, as folks need to support Lakes and other local airline service so it doesn't disappear. There was also another nonrev, an ex-UA&TWA flight attendant on her way to Chicago. She was interested in the MHK flights too, as an alternative to MCI if the flights were full! There were three local revenue pax and three nonrevs and nineteen seats on our flight 7275. Soon, we'd meet pax #7, who was the only GBD-DEN passenger who was already on board our aircraft when it landed. An abysmal 37% loadfactor. Even more surprising that we knew the first flight in the morning left 100% full!
There was free bottled water (again provided by NexTech) in the gate holdroom. The agent went around the room putting gate-checked tags on all carry-on bags that couldn't be taken on board the airplane as there are no overhead bins. The Beechcraft does, however, have a small closet many passengers can stow bags in. A few minutes later, the agent came around again and collected our boarding passes, all before the plane had even arrived.
Super80dfw and I were keeping a keen eye out for the inbound flight. I noticed it taxiing out of the corner of my eye - it had landed on HYS' remote crosswind runway without us noticing! The plane pulled up to the gate and both engines were stopped and the small pull-behind GPU was attached behind the #1 engine. The FO later told us the aircraft had some sort of MEL item preventing them from keeping #2 running during the turn, and thus the reason the flight was running a little late.
Now it was time to board!
The flight - Great Lakes 7275 service to Denver
HYS-DEN
(7275 operates the continuing GBD-HYS-DEN service also)
Aircraft is N153GL
My eighth time on a Beechcraft 1900D,
and my sixth time (or segment, at least) on Great Lakes Airlines
Seat 2A
View of the cockpit from 2A
Me(top) in 2A and Super80dfw in 2C! (The only "B" seat is the back row, where three seats make a nice bench. One passenger made this her bed on this particular flight!
The first officer came out and gave a brief safety demonstration. I asked him (after he had completed the demonstration) if we could get a nice powerful takeoff. He said of course! He didn't let us down! We taxied out to runway 16 and held short while final takeoff preparations were underway in the cockpit.
Soon, the captain reached down and throttled the aircraft up some, turned South on to the runway, and pushed the throttles fully open. In less than 2,000 feet we were airborne and climbing fast, then banking to the right, giving Super80dfw a great view of the FHSU campus and the South side of Hays.
Watching the clouds go by at 24,000 feet in a Beechcraft is really great. Its such a fun and beautiful little airplane to fly in, and while slower than a jet, we cruised quickly and with power!
Mountains are in the distance.
More Eastern Colorado.
We began descending quickly (we were watching the cockpit crew most of the time) and soon it was time to land in Denver.
Like seemingly all Denver approaches/landings/takeoffs/operations, it was exceptionally bumpy. Which is absolutely amazing, especially in a tank like the Beech!
What would you know that I catch a view of a United 757-200 on final for a parallel runway. Well, we began to close on it! I had to get my camera out to catch this spectacle -- A little, slow Beechcraft BEATING **THE** over-powered Boeing 757 in a race!? No way!!
We taxied over to the ZK ramp, passing the slowly-taxiing and slowly flying UA 757 on our way, and deplaned.
Who doesn't fit in this picture! F9, you're not doing very well at hiding!
Chad spotted our company 75W pushing back for DFW. So glad they decided to bring it back to DEN now that the EGE seasonal stuff is done.
The FO posed for a picture with N153GL as we deplaned.
Thanks for the great ride 153!!
This is the Garden City, Kansas airplane - Ironic as MQ took over the EAS contract there in April. We've been doing alright there whenever I check, though it certainly hasn't been a runaway success a la MHK - as I predicted.
Conclusions
Great Lakes is awesome. I really miss having the opportunity to fly them DEN-MCK-MHK like I used to when returning from visiting family in Denver. ZK provides a basic service that is certainly unique among pretty much all other airlines in the US except for the odd Gulfstream (or is it Silver Airways) or Cape Air, and can take you to some pretty interesting places like Visalia, CA; Telluride, CO; and Hays, KS. Those are certainly not places you can take a vanilla A319 on United too, and many of these places depend on a reliable airline like ZK to provide basic airline -or rather- basic transportation services to their communities.
And regardless of what your feelings on EAS are, ZK is a great experience and the mighty Beech is a wonderful plane - truly an experience that shouldn't be passed up! Its one awesome ride.
Return
We made it interesting. After spending some time with my sister in DEN, the next day we flew back to Chicago on F9 on Grizwald, the A318!! It was great to finally get the baby bus! The F9 people were awesome. One of our FAs used to work for the old Frontier and flew the Convairliners in/out of MHK!!
Alas, not near as exciting as the mighty Beechcraft 1900D!
alespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 579 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3923 times:
Great TR. This a/c on my fly list for a very long time. I missed to fly on one when living in Canada during my studies, but here in Europe the opportunity to fly one is very rare as there are hardly any operators.
Thank you for the great pictures.
Next Flight: Aug 17 VIE-LJU, Aug 18 LJU-VIE, Aug 19 DRS-DUS-GWT
PeterJ From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3280 times:
This was a great report! I really enjoy flying the 1900D. I am lucky, when ever I get to return home to the BDL area, I usually get a chance to fly one on the AC regional service from YYZ/YUL.
mhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 377 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2875 times:
Quoting alespesl (Reply 1):
Great TR. This a/c on my fly list for a very long time. I missed to fly on one when living in Canada during my studies, but here in Europe the opportunity to fly one is very rare as there are hardly any operators.
Thank you for the great pictures.
Operating economics, local ground transportation (like a well developed rail network), and density make the BE1 really hard to operate profitable in Europe. The 19 seaters are hard enough to make work here in the USA, and the Great Lakes Essential Air Service flights are all federally subsidized, and by a large margin. To make them work, you've really got to find a niche market, and with the rising cost of oil, even at Great Lake's abysmal pay scale, 1900s are going to continue to disappear.
Thanks for commenting, good luck on finding a Beech before they're gone!
Nice report, thanks for showing us! You don't see those Beaches so much anymore.
There seemed to be all sorts of Beeches running around DEN because of Great Lakes, but anywhere else they're certainly becoming a rarity. Thanks for the comment!
I've flown ZK twice: MSP-IMT-IWD-ORD in 2002, and LAS-PGA-CNY-DEN last summer. I'm planning another trip on them this summer: MSP-HON-PIR-DEN.
All of ZK's employees on my trips were really friendly. They are a lot of fun to fly on!
I've flown Lakes a number of times (DEN-MCK-MHK twice and MCI-MHK) but never outside of the Midwest. I'm pretty impressed by their other flying they do out of PHX, LAX, LAS, and ABQ - and very impressed by how fast they built up MSP after DL pulled out of a lot of small markets. ZK has a lot of history up there, though. Remember that ZK used to have a large operation at MCI and STL, an operation at MKE, and a hub at ORD! ZK changes shapes very often due to the nature of EAS funding but it sure is fun to watch.
I completely agree that the ZK people were all very friendly! Kudos to their staff and flight crew, even if they're some of the lowest paid in the industry.
Quoting SASA332 (Reply 4): Nice to see some coverage from my home state of Kansas on here! Thanks for the trip report on ZK.
High Five! Where are you from!?
Quoting PeterJ (Reply 5): This was a great report! I really enjoy flying the 1900D. I am lucky, when ever I get to return home to the BDL area, I usually get a chance to fly one on the AC regional service from YYZ/YUL.
Great photos! Thanks for a good read.
Thanks for your comment! The Air Labrador and Air Canada Express 1900Ds would be lots of fun to do sometime, and super80dfw and I are looking at going to the BDL/BOS area soon. Maybe we'll have to go via YYZ/YUL. YUL is a fun S80 ride from DFW! Thanks again!
kstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2473 times:
Great report! I flew ZK from MCI-MHK once when visiting family. Interesting ride, was younger back then so probably didn't enjoy it as much as I would now. Although the MQ flights are so much more convenient as a K-State student to get to where I need to go.
Widebodyroga From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 472 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2357 times:
Many thanks for sharing with us your experience on Great Lakes, mhkansan.
Quoting mhkansan (Thread starter): relative difficulty flying with a carrier like Lakes is for lots of aviation buffs around the world.
You may say that again. Great Lakes has been on my radar for a long time but it's not easy to get to fly with them anymore if you live in the Midwest (somewhat ironically given the company's name and origins).
I loved the old school boarding passes. Definitely a collectible item, even though I don't collect boarding passes myself. I also enjoyed the video. It seems like Great Lakes keeps the windows of their Beechcrafts in a great condition, much unlike Pineapple Air in my one and only experience on such an aircraft.
Thanks again!
WBodyroga
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BZNPilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 257 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1779 times:
Hi mhkansan,
Great report, thanks for posting. This is exactly the type of report I like the most--small airlines with small airports like HYS.
Quoting mhkansan (Thread starter): Being from Kansas and coming from a town that directly benefited from small-carrier, Essential Air Service airlines like Great Lakes, sometimes I forget the rarity and relative difficulty flying with a carrier like Lakes is for lots of aviation buffs around the world.
But good that you still recognize the rarity of it! That is indeed a rare experience for many of us enthusiasts out there.
Quoting mhkansan (Thread starter): Did you know? - Great Lakes has scheduled 10-minute turns at almost all Beechcraft outstations?
Wow. Impressive.
Quoting mhkansan (Thread starter): Sure enough, in a few minutes the agent brought us our true, hand written boarding passes!
Again, impressive! Neat that such a thing still exists in the USA despite all the technological developments in the industry.
Quoting mhkansan (Thread starter): My eighth time on a Beechcraft 1900D,
and my sixth time (or segment, at least) on Great Lakes Airlines
Again, cool that you have had the opportunities to fly on this type and this airline. Not a common experience, I can assure you!
Quoting mhkansan (Thread starter): I asked him (after he had completed the demonstration) if we could get a nice powerful takeoff. He said of course! He didn't let us down!
Nice pilot!
Quoting mhkansan (Thread starter): Watching the clouds go by at 24,000 feet in a Beechcraft is really great. Its such a fun and beautiful little airplane to fly in, and while slower than a jet, we cruised quickly and with power!
Looks awesome! I would trade any old CRJ for the Beechcraft experience any day.
Quoting mhkansan (Thread starter): And regardless of what your feelings on EAS are, ZK is a great experience and the mighty Beech is a wonderful plane - truly an experience that shouldn't be passed up! Its one awesome ride.
Glad you enjoyed your ride and thanks for posting this report.
runner13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
Quoting mhkansan (Thread starter): What would you know that I catch a view of a United 757-200 on final for a parallel runway. Well, we began to close on it! I had to get my camera out to catch this spectacle -- A little, slow Beechcraft BEATING **THE** over-powered Boeing 757 in a race!? No way!!
aeroperu89 From Peru, joined Mar 2012, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1726 times:
Great report mhkansan!
I honestly never heard of Great Lakes Airlines before today, but it looks like a very friendly carrier
Thanks for sharing your trip to Denver, I learned a lot with it! (shame to admit that I've also never heard about the EAS program before)
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18835 posts, RR: 54 Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1624 times:
Excellent report on a fascinating operator! Thanks for providing it. (Incidentally, and as you're a Kansas man, my American uncle lives in Overland Park.)
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